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Very surprising that Wikipedia would stick with something that the typical user can't figure out. That doesn't make the user stupid, just cuz they don't want to jack with codecs, or install Ubuntu. But it kind of seems to be a punishment for the user not being able to, or just not wanting to do that. Hell, like the last time OGG reared it's head, all I wanted to do was hear how to pronounce "laissez faire". Wikipedia's answer: forget it. That's like going to the dentist with a cavity and the dude hands you the freakin' drill. With so much else going for it, to encode sound files--which could be so useful--in this format, makes no sense to me. Not down on OGG, it's cool for Nix junkies, and I know that as with many open source creations, probably has some superior traits to the other sounds formats hacked out by software corporations. But to make something unusable for the vast majority of users, just because of a leaning towards a certain operating system? If you have to have OGG, put some other options side by side. Surely you can figure that out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.177.184.105 (talk) 04:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
– This is what happens when you put Linux Neckbeards in charge of Wikipedia. They pick their favorite format that .00000001% of the internet public uses just to grow bigger fatbeards. 01:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.196.42 (talk)
- You know what they say: "Everytime someone downloads an OGG player, an nerd gets his beard." Who cares about usability, right? We want the Linux Beards to be strong and mighty and grow thick with dense hair. 71.227.196.42 (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Eh? Doesn't Firefox 3.5 come with OGG decoding? If not, just go get the codec... it's not like mid or mpeg etc are any more usable. 99.224.115.100 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC).
Why does Wikipedia have any problem with my system?
I play oggs just easily... a simple link is okay for me and will not spit nonsense like others about free formats. I like them and anyone can play ogg. Except on wikipedia. I just don't understand why WP claims to scan my system for ogg support which it cannot!
Why can't things be just easy? World Wide Web has hyperlinks.
81.0.198.173 (talk) 12:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't work
I am on a Kubuntu Linux computer with VLC installed and all medibuntu codecs, reading Wikipedia from Firefox 2.0.0.11. I would expect that Wikipedia would simply detect my system and open VLC when I try to play the media file. Instead, a message pops up saying, "Sorry, your system does not appear to have any supported player software. Please download a player." Shouldn't Wikipedia just let me download the file so I can manually play it in VLC?
This is stupid
I can understand the rationale for using ogg files instead of mp3s or another format, but the net effect is that most people just never hear the audio content. If you're going to require people to use your open-source alternative, I think it only makes sense to embed the player into the site. Is that possible? If not, you're stuck with sacrificing usability in order to make a philosophical point and defend against some ridiculous future scenario where wikipedia gets sued for using mp3s or wmvs on their site. I notice that most pictures are JPEGs - aren't you concerned about the fact that people have asserted that they own a patent on that filetype.
Stuff like this is far and away the worst part of Wikipedia. You're all such pedants about nonsense to the point where you're crippling the site. 128.12.186.192 09:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
(separate user's comment) I quite agree. Having tried to get audio and video files to play on several Windows machines without success I can only conclude that 'open format' is a sick joke which really means 'just about useable by ubergeeks who hand-code their own Unix drivers'. Face it, folks: these are niche formats that simply aren't supported by popular computers and thus frustrate would-be users.
Let's stick to industry-standard file formats - even if they are technically proprietary. Long live MP3!
Yes, using OGG on Wikipedia is a bloody stupid idea. Like the above poster, I have tried, tried, tried to install Ogg codecs on a variety of Windows machines, most recently following the instructions TO THE LETTER for the Windows Media oggcodecs 0.71.0946 on a newish, pretty clean install of Vista Home Premium. And guess what? it doesn't work. Nada, nil, zip. Yet another platform where Wikipedia fails miserably. Pretty much everything else in Wikipedia is joy - why, why, why stick to an audio format that JUST PLAIN DOESN'T WORK IN THE REAL WORLD? We had 'burn the GIFs' - NOW IS THE TIME TO BURN THE OGGs.
I agree with OP. Why go out of our way to reduce the usability of the site? Everyone can play MP3, it's counter-productive to waste time on silly formats that almost no computers can play on the default setup (or even a reasonable customized setup). 24.84.213.237 21:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
You can blame Windows Media Player for not supporting open formats.
On the other hand it is laudable that they are pushing people to abandon incredibly annoying windows media and other formats. Even better that folks may abandon windows media player (that refuses to play media) for something like vlc. I guess you gotta motivate people to change and hurting them does that. By extension it hurts the libraries when people complain, same with schools. So while the effort is laudable the practical effect, the hurting folks to get them to change, is unnecessary. MP3 will be off patent soon enough (2012 by all reasonable accounts I believe) even if you don't use a free 'MP3' encoder. People at schools and libraries are stuck with "microsoft is the entire world" software- and such refuses to play anything not in $Micro$oft$ format. At least add alternatives--Δζ (talk) 06:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm assuming we are talking about HTML 5 media? I haven't seen any direct download ogg files yet. Firefox 3.5 comes with ogg codec, and every other big browser supports HTML media. If you are using Internet Explorer, you already failed at using the internet. There is nothing silly about this. Using closed source formats is just asking for trouble, and causes too many problems as it is. Internet Explorer will be getting HTML 5 media support soon as well. If you don't have the latest version of Internet Explorer... well let's just say you wont have your banking account for much longer. I'm sure if OGG keeps being pushed as it currently is in HTML 5, Windows will add it as a built in codec. Using MP3 is both destructive and irresponsible to the future of computing. 99.224.115.100 (talk)
Wikipedia helps OGG
I hope you do realize that Wikipedia helps distribute OGG codecs and players to a lot of people. Maybe a call for media files in order to have a "Sound file of the day" or "Video of the day" feature would help spread OGG even further. After all, isn't this one of the points Jimmy Wales talked about in Frankfurt this week?! --Hullbr3ach 19:44, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Rewrite
Since I've started putting up videos, I've gone ahead and rewritten this page. I need people who are familiar with ogg vorbis/theora on Mac and Linux/Unix to add instructions for getting it working on those platforms as well.
Remember, only list players here that will work with *any* .ogg file (that is, it should work with both vorbis and theora). →Raul654 18:17, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
Material intended specifically for Wikipedia editors should appear elsewhere
There already is a page whose purpose is to teach Wikipedia editors how to make media files. It is located here:
Wikipedia:Sound
This article, Wikipedia:Media help, is meant not for editors but for readers --and that includes people who aren't computer experts. For this reason, we should keep Wikipedia:Media help as short as possible, and written in very plain language.
I recommend that people with the relevant expertise update Wikipedia:Sound and rename it Wikipedia:Media, in parallel with the history of this page.
The material I just removed, which I hope will soon be integrated into Wikipedia:Sound or Wikipedia:Media, is repeated below.
Opus33 16:10, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Videos work!
The videos work great on Mac and Linux! Thanks! --Gmaxwell 04:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
They also work great in Windows if you hunt down the right codecs... I had to anyways, so it was another good reason to find them. - Thekittenofterra 08:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Does anyone know why the mimetype is ogg and not ogm for movies ? ogg let start the pure sound player usually while ogm would let start a video player.
Winamp
Yes, it only plays Vorbis files. However, wouldn't it be helpful to include it and speci
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