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Merge
I think Ipswich suspected serial killer should be merged with 2006 Suffolk murder investigation. It is possible in the future to rename it if other murders outside the Suffolk area are included or someone is convicted. Phildav76 11:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Opening Paragraph
Why does the opening paragraph claim there were ten victims? Boiler Bro Joe 12:23, 15 December 2006 (EST)
Reference term
I've seen Suffolk Ripper , Ipswich Ripper and East Anglia Ripper used to describe this person(s), should there be a redirect from these pages? Yorkshiresky 14:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This will have to renamed
It can't stay as it is, seeing as there's just under three weeks left until 2007. What would be a better name for it? -- Majo rly 15:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
It must be renamed
The title doesn't provide any information at all about the fact that this is five murders within two weeks, all prostitutes. This is a serial killer investigation, no doubt, and the current title doesn't reflect that at all. 2006 Suffolk serial killer investigation would be closer to the mark, or 2006 Suffolk prostitute murders . The current title is almost useless. Budgiekiller 23:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Good, thanks for your reply. Anyone else interested in making this change? The current title really could relate to any investigation of any murder in Suffolk this year. What we're dealing with here is five bodies found within a few miles of Ipswich, all prostitutes, all within a couple of weeks. We must refine the title. Budgiekiller 23:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Serial killer
The BBC and others are calling the murderer a "spree killer" rather than a "serial killer" now - should the title be adjusted to reflect this? I am assuming a serial killer is someone more planning, predetermined, slower, methodical than a killer who works so fast?
I originally used the title "Ipswich suspected serial killer", although we would have to drop the "suspected" now. I prefer "Ipswich serial killer" or "Suffolk serial killer". Regrettably, we have to consider the serious possibility that this person's activities will continue into 2007, or he may go on to attack non-prostitutes, we should not have to change the title if this happens. Starting a title with "2006/07" is clumsy. Fortunately, there has not previously been a serial killer in Suffolk or Ipswich, we do not need to distinguish this person from any other. PatGallacher 17:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
We also don't know if it's one or more people acting together. I think the previous "murder investigation" was better in that regard, since there's very little known for certain about who is behind the killings. — Matt 19:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
An expert on BBC News earlier on defined a serial killer as someone who kills at least three people over a period of at least thirty days. So the second requirement is probably to close too call at present but may become clear through forensic examination or if he strikes again. Rrsmac 22:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Some useful links
Theres plenty of stuff on the BBC site referencing this, including international reactions. I've pasted a couple of links below. I'd do it myself but I'm busy with work tonight.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6171469.stm - profiles
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/6175797.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6173633.stm#map (with non google map overlay)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6176087.stm (international reactions)
Thanks, RHB 18:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Mixed response
Firstly, I wish to point out this is not my opinion, I am deeply sadened by the happenings. I just wondered if the point should be mentioned that some people think that it is only to be expected that the target is sex workers, maybe not as far as murder, but some peoples opinion is that the girls have put themselves in danger. Chris as I am Chris 18:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
ellas fueron putas, no?
Isn't that the translation of "prostitute" into Spanish? "La puta"? 204.52.215.107 21:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I n s e r t f o r m u l a h e r e
Links to other crimes
Could there be a little more information here? Why are the police linking these unsolved crimes to this case? What similarities are shared?
See also http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/tm_headline=two-more-victims-of-suffolk-strangler%2D%26method=full%26objectid=18275364%26siteid=64736-name_page.html
A few things
That image from the BBC website needs a detailed fair use rational, the supposedly related crimes are pretty much every unsolved murder in that area in the past 10 years, and including three from the US? Isn't that just conjecture? I'm sure there have been murders in the EU countries recently. Thanks, RHB 00:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Prostitution Legalization
This case has prompted calls from different media outlets to legalize prostitution and has been cited as a reason to do so. This should be mentioned, using appropriate citations, in the article. LuciferMorgan 01:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Johanna Young date
I guess that the 1993 date was take from here, but I remember the year being 1992 and this is supported by this Guardian article written in Februrary 1993. -- Phildav76 08:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Ipswich Ripper
This was once a redirect and now contains almost duplicate info as on this page. Any object to reverting back to a redirect? -- Majorly ( Talk ) 22:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Done, we dont want duplicate articles, SqueakBox 23:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Reliability of The Sun?
The Sun is described as a tabloid newspaper. If this means the same thing that it means in the U.S., then I'd say The Sun's reliability is questionable. Especially so in the case of the implied claim that cannabis use leads to heroin use, which is a typical propaganda claim used here in the U.S. without scientific credibility.
Could a more reputable source than The Sun be found? If more reputable sources refuse to cover a topic at all, might it not be considered non-notable? Kasreyn 23:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Such stuff can easily be deleted, I just removed the bit about cannabis as completely irrelevant, SqueakBox 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
While British tabloid doesn't have quite the same negative non-news connotations as American supermarket tabloid, The Sun could hardly be described as a (consistently) reliable source. Apart from the Daily Star, it is as near to a US supermarket tabloid as you'll find in the UK. Fanx 15:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Strangulation, Asphyxiation, or Compression of the Throat
The Suffolk Police have never used the expression "strangled" in regards to these murders, shouldn't we be using the language they use? For one of the women, the cause of death is officially Asphyxiation, for the latest to be identified it is Compression of the Throat. Granted, this basically means much the same as strangled, but there is obviously a difference in the method used in each case or else the cause of death would be the same. I think we should take info from the Suffolk Police website rather than The Sun's for what it's worth. Jcuk 01:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
"Ipswich Ripper"?
I have been hearing with increasing frequency the killer(s)being referred to as a "Ripper", any information on whether s/he inflicted any injuries upon the bodies that would warrent for such a name?--Nicole M. 03:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Australian Media
"In Australia, the media has referred to the killer as the "Red Light Ripper"; in reference to Red-light districts, where prostitutes frequent" One Australian newspaper has called a titles article 'Red-Light Ripper Feared', apart from that the media in Australia refer to the killer with the same names the English press has. What is the point of that reference being in the wiki??
Renaming
Would it be possible that we could discuss possible suitable renamings rather than just doing it without any consensus? The new title is clearly unacceptable as it could refer to any murder in Ipswich in 2006, and there must have been more than this recent series. The title should reflect the multiple nature of the discoveries. Budgiekiller 08:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Yep, sorry - forgot to sign the comment Guy Hatton 11:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
A rename discussion is needed. I suppose we should list the suggestions; I've made a start (not all mine): — Matt 11:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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