Funny Pet Name For Fish
Funny Pet Name For Fish
Blue Marlin Picture
Could we maybe get a better picture of the blue marlin?
References
The current format that I've been using for citations is based on the MLA citation:
The MLA is more like the following:
The APA is more like the following:
The reason I didn't purely follow the MLA was because doing underlines required me to use HTML, so I'd rather use WikiMarkup, so I italisized the title of the complete work (similar to how the APA does it). Other than that the existing way I did the citations was the same. In all cases above the handling of internet URL's in the format "URL: http://www.whatever.com" has been adapted from the correct "Retrieved on DATE from http://www.whatever.com".
Under the APA we should use something like the following:
- Froese, Ranier, and Daniel Pauly (Eds.) (October, 2004). Xiphophorus hellerii. FishBase. URL: Xiphophorus helleri .
- Integrated Taxonomic Information System (2004). ITIS Standard Report. Washington, D.C.:National Museum of Natural History. Retrieved on 2004-04-28 from ID 165920.
Under the MLA:
- Integrated Taxonomic Information System. "Barbus tetrazona." ITIS Standard Report . Washington, D.C.:National Museum of Natural History. Retrieved on 2004-04-28 from ID 163655
- "Puntius tetrazona." FishBase . Ed. Froese, R. and D. Pauly. 04/2004. URL: Puntius tetrazona
Proposed Citation:
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Froese, Ranier, and Daniel Pauly (Eds.) (2004).
FishBase.
October 2004 version. S.v. "".
- National Museum of Natural History (2004). ITIS Standard Report. ID 165920.
Personally I find the APA a bit cumbersome to use and a bit more inconsistent. The "template" that I have been using is an attempt at finding a single way to represent everything in an easy format, although it technically deviates from both formats. I much prefer the MLA style, but of course there is no set way to do things here, just that the citations happen. One major difference from the proposed citation format is the retrieved on date for ITIS. I think this is pretty important. Fishbase doesn't need it because the current version of the database is always given on the site and that is sufficient. It also adds the city/publisher which is required for proper citation. Despite my preference for the MLA, if the APA is what the consensus is, I will go with that too. -- Ram-Man 03:12, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
There's no on-line version of the Chicago Manual of Style, but I do have a quick-and-dirty guide based on it I put on line for a course (Guideline for Notes and Bibliography; it mentions Turabian, which is the students' "mini" Chicago). Chicago is a mammoth, comprehensive guide to all aspects of book and journal editing, typesetting, etc.
I think the person who "fixed" all the ITIS links is one of the anti-redirection zealots who goes through and changes all links to redirects; there are a few here.
As far as giving cities, we can guess Washington for ITIS—but a traceroute suggests that their server is in fact in Denver (that's the location of the last router before hitting their firewall). And where is FishBase? They have mirrors in Germany, France, Sweden, Taiwan, and the U.S., and DNS round-robin to send fishbase.org to any of them (I'm getting sent to Kiel, Germany, at the moment, even though I am in Arizona). Their home pages says FishBase was originally developed at the World Fish Center, which is headquartered in Penang, Malaysia, with the cooperation of FAO which is, IIRC, in New York City. I'm not opposed to giving a city in principle (and always would for something which had an unambiguous place of publication), but I think making one up or picking one at random for something which is published on servers around the world does not convey useful information.
As far as publisher goes, for both FishBase and ITIS the publisher is FishBase and ITIS, respectively. Full citations would be:
- "Micropterus salmoides". FishBase. Ed. Ranier Froese and Daniel Pauly. October 2004 version. N.p.: FishBase, 2004.
- "Micropterus salmoides" (ID 168160). Integrated Taxonomic Information System. N.p.: Integrated Taxonomic Information System, 2004. Accessed on 1 December 2004 .
(N.p. is used for "no place" where no place of publication is indicated by the work.)
BTW, I can e-mail you a paper I'm working on which employs Chicago citation for a wide variety of sources. I can't post it on line, though, for copyright reasons. —Tkinias 20:35, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Scope
Question: Should this project cover only the Actinopterygii, or should it also include other taxa called "fish" -- the Chondrichthyes, Actinistia, Dipnoi, and maybe even Cephalaspidomorphi and Myxini? —Tkinias 08:46, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Reference templates
So that I can continue to work on articles while we discuss citation format, I've created templates for the references. I will update the project page to explain their usage. For now, the text they produce is equivalent to my last suggested format, but that can of course be changed. —Tkinias 09:39, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Pedant's question on project name
why not WikiProject Fish ? Pedant 02:05, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)
Categorization
I see that the project states to Categorize under either the common name or the scientific depending on circumstances.. I wonder why you do not categorize under both. For the casual user of wikipedia, the common name is often beneficial, but for a student doing a project, being able to follow links by the scientific taxonomy holds a lot of value. Because there are 2 classification schemes common and scientific, why not follow both? Sortior 23:12, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
I see this subject was last discussed two years ago, so sorry to revive it, but I do think it may need some consensus. I recently did some updating to the category to include the scientific names to the species in the category Tetraodontidae by adding the category link on the scientific name redirects. An inquiry was posted on my talk page asking about these actions. Following was my answer:At any rate, my impression of the category is that it is a form of index, regardless if you’re a fisherman or a scientist or German. The scientific name, connects it all together and should necessarily be included in the index. As seems to be the case in just about every reference book I’ve ever come across. May I suggest that this be a matter of policy?Jnpet 07:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Grunion
I am currently working on an article on grunion. So far, I've only put up the beginnings of the article (intro + infobox) as a subpage of my User page (see User:BlankVerse/Grunion). If anyone has any suggestions about article organization, sources for images, etc. that would be greatly appreciated. Blank Verse ∅ 17:17, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Batoidea
Our articles on batoids were a bit of a mess (and still are to some extent), involving a mixture of several systems of classification. I've tried to clean them up so they all follow the FishBase system — three orders Rajiformes, Pristiformes and Torpediniformes — instead of a mix of that and McEachran's system (which has the stingrays, eagle rays and their relatives in Myliobatiformes). I've added some discussion of the different systems of classification.
I would be grateful if someone could check Batoidea and the articles it links to. If some system of batoid classification is generally thought to be better than FishBase then please say so.
I've made ray (fish) redirect to Batoidea rather than the other way round, to avoid the question of "are skates rays?" If that's wrong, please change it around. Gdr 20:25:36, 2005-08-15 (UTC)
Fishbase references robot
I have just written and tested a robot that can read an article, find a taxobox, get the genus and species and add a reference link to fishbase. I have permission to run this for one weeks test and have successfully done so for some of the shark articles. If the taxobox does not contain both genus and species it does nothing. It should work for all fish articles also. The robot is User:StefanBot see edits to check pages it have changed. The bot have a few issues.
- For now it can only handle 2-3 versions of the taxobox templates, I'm fixing it as I find more versions. For a unknown taxobos the bot just ignores the article.
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It have problems with pages that have no header for external links, references, related articles or see also, if non of these exists the robot will add the reference section last in the article which is some cases places it after the fish_stubs templates, I will fix this, but I must list ALL templates by names to know what the bot shall put the text before, for the shark articles I have monitored this by hand, but for fish articles I do not think I can do that, which means that you who probably look at the fish pages more that I must do these fixes. I can change the bot to not update any articles that does not already have any of the headers mentioned above if that would be preferable.now fixed. -
The bot adds the references as a * text, this does not look so good if the reference templates have been used in the article, I guess I can find {{ref and ign
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