How To Draw Sports Car
How To Draw Sports Car
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Characteristics and Definition of a Sports Car
As much as this is intended to be an encyclopedia, the article fails in doing its primary job, which is, to define a sports car. If information is verifiable it doesn't mean straight away it is accurate. Now according to the latest edits a sports car hapens to be tied to an specific engine layout, seat layout, drive and now it even has to be open-roof, quite funny.
The article has to be reworked.
Start with: Sports Cars originally come from Motor Sport; What you need in motorsports is what you find in a sports car, then the other things as comfort, layout, are not determinant, a given sports car can be luxurious and other stripped down; one sports car can be FF, other MR; One can be low and with stiff suspension other can be high and with soft suspension; One can be street legal another can be track-only...
A tag has been added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.201.218.232 (talk) 20:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Layout
"MR is a layout found only in sports cars"? Is this a fact? The Zundapp Janus minicar used this arrangement and I don't thnk anybody can call that a sports car. // Liftarn
What is/isn't a sports car?
Time to start getting religious. Or at least making some group decisions. Are the Lamborghini Murcielago, Chevrolet Corvette, and Ford Mustang sports cars? How about the Toyota MR-2? Or the Honda Integra? Or even the new BMW MINI? I think we can all agree that the ones near the end of the list aren't, but what about the ones at the front?
We can't use raw performance to define a sports car. It would exclude cars like the Mazda MX-5 which are certainly sports cars but don't perform like a Ferrari 360. I like the concept of sacrifice - If utility is substantially sacrificed in the name of performance (handling, acceleration, braking, etc) then it's looking like a sports car. This would eliminate the Mustang and Integra, for example, and would lock in the MX-5. It would also include cars like the Corvette and Murcielago that have no back seat, poor visibility, poor performance in bad weather, little storage capacity, etc...--SFoskett 02:13, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
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My refference for "space for a girl friend" in my recent addition is Saturday Night Live .--David R. Ingham
Yes. By definition, a sports car must give up seating capacity and comfort for performance (especially handling). (Just as microcomputers are defined in price, not performance, spots cars are defined in seating capacity and comfort, not performance.)--David R. Ingham
A sports car can be luxerious. You can buy a Porsche with BOSE surround sound, sattelite navigation, integrated phone, cruise control and driving computer, seat heaters with two levels, air condition, additional wind shields to make it more comfortable (in the Boxster), mirrors that dim automatically, a mixture between skin and wood interior. cup holders that extract from the dashboard. It can be argued of course that some of these features are security related (even air condition), but BOSE surround sound is not. Ie. Picture of Porsche Boxster. Here are picture from a seriously luxerious sports car, the Jaguar XK. My conlusion is that a sports car is made for joy. That includes performance. On the other hand, a supercar can hardly be luxerious because it is only made for performance and the luxerious features weighs too much. (Koenigsegg, Pagani Zonda...). --Cvik
Conclusion of the argument
What Sam and I are trying to say is that, in an encyclopedia, we cannot be inventing anything, or even trying to make strict definitions for terms that are vague in popular usage. Instead, we need to rely on what the world says, even if (in your opinion) "they" are "wrong". It's not like we're dealing with facts here - if we were talking about the exact horsepower or wheelbase of a car, then the minority would win because they are correct. But for vague categories, the minority does not win.
Jon, We all have been trying to reach a compromise with you on this topic (look at the very non-negative answers above) but you seem to just continue arguing the point. Even after you concede that power and weight are not the strict definitions of a sports car or supercar, you keep coming back to those particular elements. I think the time has come to stop talking about this.
I will not respond to anymore argument on this point, and will not engage in a revert war about it. Instead, I will follow the concensus of the community whatever that may be.
I propose a straw poll on the categorizing vehicles in their respective talk sections. In other words, we add a straw poll to the Mustang, Corvette, Murcielago, etc asking for votes on the definition. Since we are dealing with matters of opinion rather than fact, we can rely on a democratic process for this.
Please, everyone, vote on the question in the following articles:
- Talk:Chevrolet Corvette
- Talk:Ford Mustang
- Talk:Honda NSX
- Talk:Lamborghini Murcielago
- Talk:Mazda Miata
- Talk:Toyota MR2
Thank you. --SFoskett 13:14, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
Please note that the Ford Mustang page has ignored the vote count and kept "Class: Sports car" in the table. I deleted the "best selling sports car" title from automotive superlatives because that is too vague a title to be listed. David R. Ingham 04:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
In case you're curious, here are Evo magazine's assessments
- Corvette: Supercar (Z06 model only)
- Ford Mustang: Not listed
- Honda NSX: Coupe/GT
- Lamborghini Murcielago: Supercar
- Mazda MX5 (a.k.a. Miata): Sports car (1.8 liter models only)
- Toyota MR2: Sports car
(for the record and for whatever it is worth, I don't agree with all of their choices but I can report objectively when called upon to do so)
Fisker Coachbuild
For your information, there is currently an Article for deletion vote regarding the Fisker Coachbuild car manufacturer here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fisker. You may wish to comment on this. --Edcolins 09:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
"While opinions differ as to the exact definition, most sports cars have two seats and two doors, and are designed to provide excellent acceleration, top speed, and good looks."
It seems to me that this postpones the central part of the definition, which is a low center of gravity for better car handling, reduced risk of rollover and braking. Since, on public roads, speed is usually limited by safety considerations, these are much more important than acceleration or top speed. Some sports cars have jump seats and the Morgan four seater has full rear seats in place of luggage space. Something about being low, and why, must be at the very top. This is what I have seen in dictionaries.
More precisely, it is a question of what thrills one. The cars for people who are thrilled by acceleration or gas economy have other names like muscle car, microcar and Hybrid vehicle. Sports cars are intended to be fun for people who like handling. David R. Ingham 08:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
"excellent acceleration" probably. "top speed" No, not required (that's for supercars). "good looks" No, not required (some sports cars are designed in a strictly utilitarian way). // Liftarn
anecdote
An article in Motor magazine compared sports cars and the editor's race prepared sedan. The last word from the editor was that the racing tyres made it faster (in the handling sense) than the sports cars. The trouble with that is that, though it did go around curves faster, its cornering was limited by rollover instead of by adhesion! David R. Ingham 08:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
"the idea of an affordable sports car vanished" (Don't take this seriously.)
That, if true, must be because of the Edsel/Mustang principle that a car's value is defined by styling trends and how much your girlfriend knows it cost, rather than by whether it could avoid her dog, if it wanders onto the street. David R. Ingham 08:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Image:Venn_cars.PNG
Sorry, Image:Venn_cars.PNG is a nice idea but the classifications strike me as not NPOV. And if strictly going by objective criteria, would be original research too? — Shadowhillway 23:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
How to Draw Cars
And yes - since many people (you!?) love to draw sports cars in particular, it certainly does raise the bar. A ferrari for example, is quite curvy.
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