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Some edits to the 5WPR page are in order. Adam Handelsman is no longer with the firm. In fact, most of the firm is no longer with the firm -- they're down to 40 people now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.203.134.50 (talk) 21:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I am a VP at 5W and entered what I believe to ne a neutral entry on the firm, just as any other company that has some notable or historic fact might be listed here. I am not writing about clients or editing client sites, if any are even listed with Wiki.
I saw the Edelman PR had a listing, so I figured 5W would be able to do so too. I'd appreciate feedback. Juda S. Engelmayer 19:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Proposed deletion
I think the biggest distinction between Edelman and 5W isn't the size, but that Edelman has actually been a center of controversy, and has been a subject of mass media coverage beyond industry trades.
This isn't to say industry trades aren't worthy sources, but mainstream sources do give a better idea of why a corporation is significant enough for a Wikipedia article. From reading this article, I can't tell what makes 5W notable to people who aren't in the PR industry the same way someone might be interested in Edelman because of its involvement in fake blogs and payola for Wal-Mart (and Edelman article does need a lot of work, it looks like).
Looking at WP:CORP, I think the article needs more independent sources talking about the firm's significance. Ytny 16:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC) (Response to User talk:Judae1#5W Public Relations) I think I added some of what you needed. Please let me know. ThanksJuda S. Engelmayer 18:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
COI
If Judae1 really is Juda S. Engelmayer and the Vice President of Government and Corporate Issues Practice at 5W Public Relations he should refrain from editing 5W Public Relations as this is in violation of WP:COI. This article is basically spam for his firm. --Agha Nader 17:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:5W Logo.JPG
Image:5W Logo.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Rabbi impersonation controversy
As has been explained ad naseum to Mosmof, this is a 5 year old firm with many major occurences - From the largest, sexiest events at Sundance to launching Sean Combs' comeback. His obsession with 1 event is out of place with this firm's Wiki entry.
Mosmof: Should you like to make changes to the wiki entry, keep it to 5 lines. Specific dates, rather than months, and the name of the founders blog are surely unrelevant.
Mosmof: The edits there simply remove a few names. You will be flagged and banned from further comment should you simply choose to add your own name there.
Mosmof: Zero reason a bloggers name would be posted in the history of a company. Wake up.
The reason is relevance. It simply is way too detailed. Unsure of how or why this seems to be so relevant to you. There is a reason. Its simply not relevant.
Mosmof identifying the editor by name of a blog is not at all relevant to this story. How could it be so ? Furthermore, he is clearly biased in identifying political clients rather than the scores of corporate brands such as Mcdonalds, Hard Rock Cafe and others.
How is it too detailed? Identifying the involved parties and the victims is the very least of information you need to properly retell an event. Hence, the five Ws of communication! But really, you have a serious conflict of interest in this matter - you're really not ina position to judge what is and is not relevant. --Mosmof (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Mosmof: This is your quote on your page. Lets agree: I am a Wikiminimalist, as in, I believe a Wikipedia article is most effective when it is concise and sticks to only the most basic, fundamental information necessary to understand a subject. Wikipedia should be the starting point of research, not the research itself.
MaClainDiesHard (talk) 01:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Client sourcing and avoiding perceptions of laundry lists
A list of clients I removed has been restored with an edit summary saying it had been dismissed as a "laundry list". Half of the original list was redlinked (i.e. no article in Wikipedia) before I tagged as many internal articles as I could find. Considering that this is such a contentious article, it would be more helpful if clients were included based on major relationships and campaigns detailed via independently reported articles meeting WP:RS rather than the indignation of yet another anonymous IP. Flowanda | Talk 01:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Edits concerning controversy and living people
In response to recent discussion on this and my talk page, I suggest you take up this discussion at WP:BLPN as the edits deal with living people (no matter if they have any presence on Wikipedia or not). Wikipedia is pretty strict about sourcing per WP:BLP. WP:OTRS is another option. If anyone needs help posting to these boards, let me know and I can help, but continuing to argue about the same edits is not helpful to the stability or validity of this article. Flowanda | Talk 02:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Semi Protected
This page needs to be protected, as it seems to have a lot of questionable actiivty as well as questionable edits from non neutral users on all sides. I am not sure why some see the desperate need to track every instance of ths subject of this article and eradicate it from Wiki. Bizarre. Bizarre. MaClainDiesHard (talk) 03:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Scrubbing of information and wholesale copy-and-pasting of firm website
This is getting (more) annoying. If you're going to plagiarize http://www.5wpr.com/about5wpr/history.cfm, at least do it right - at least take the trouble to format it for Wiki. Better yet, don't do it at all - taking material wholesale from the firm website is against not only WP:COPYRIGHT, but also WP:RS/WP:V. Please stop.
As for the ongoing attempt to scrub names from the Agriprocessors section, please cite a policy-based rationale for removing names of the relevant parties in the incident. Otherwise, please leave it alone. --Mosmof (talk) 23:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Edit insanity and getting help
Unless edit drama is the goal, please stop this cycle of editing the same content and blaming editors when it is again reverted. You have received suggestions and offers to get help, so please ask for help or use the following resources for assistance.
For the issue about naming names, there is WP:BLPN. For issues about editor intent, actions and prejudice, there is WP:COIN. For issues concerning the quality of sourcing, there is WP:RSN. For disagreements about specific edits that involve just one other editor, there is WP:3O. As for issues concerning undue weight or balance, I am unsure of the best place to get feedback from uninvolved editors, but I hope other editors will provide the best noticeboard. After that, there is the dispute resolution process that is explained at WP:DISPUTE. And since it's pretty clear 5W is still actively editing Wikipedia articles involving themselves and clients/special interests, I again suggest WP:OTRS as a resource for this particular article, while at the same time pointing to WP:OWN and WP:LUC, as other edits and articles need to stand on their own notability and verifiability.
Please note my observations about 5W editors isn't a warning, a condemnation or a revelation of under-the-radar contributions; I can only assume that such wide swath and obvious tracks are meant to be noticed. Flowanda | Talk 04:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Sourcing client information
Wikipedia articles require a specific kind of sourcing to create and maintain stable, long-term encyclopedic articles. The link to the Washington Times article about product placement is closer to the kind of sourcing needed to add the client informa
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