Sore Clitoris
Sore Clitoris
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ALEX HAS SYPHILIS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.179.219.245 (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
John Keats?
Any reason why John Keats it's listed as suspected of having syphilis? He died of TB at 25. This is extremely well documented. He hardly would have had any time to develop observable symptoms even if he had somehow managed to contract the disease, which he's unlikely to have done given his biography. No reference is given, I'd delete it myself if the article wasn't locked. 212.183.140.52 (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Graffiti in History section
The history section has the following graffiti at the end but when you try to edit it, it is not visible in the edit box.
While penicillin was able to cure most cases of syphilis, Fidel Castro, disguised as Marilyn Monroe, gave President Kennedy a case so bad, it blew the back of his head off.
Dougher 01:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Duplicated sections
There are two sections, one in History and the other in Etymology that duplicate the same info, with a little variation:
History
Because of the outbreak in the French army, it was first called morbus gallicus, or the French disease. In that time the Italians also called it the "Spanish disease", the French called it the la maladie anglaise ("the English disease") and "Italian disease" or "Neapolitan disease", the Russians called it the "Polish disease", and the Arabs called it the "Disease of the Christians".
Etymology
While the Italian Girolamo Fracastoro called it the French disease, the Dutch called it the Spanish disease, the Russians called it the Polish disease, the Turks called it the Christian disease and the Tahitians called it the British disease.
Dougher 23:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Limerick
The limerick is amusing, but what's its copyright status? I found it on this web page dated 1997, but there's no indication of permission to re-use it. -- Ortonmc 03:43, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It is claimed to be Victorian in origin (see http://www.simegen.com/pipermail/simegen-l/Week-of-Mon-20010409/002145.html ), which, if true, puts it in the public domain. -- The Anome 13:11, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
This limerick is mentioned twice in the article. I removed the first section on it, since it seems excessively detailed for something so tangential to the topic. It also makes sense to note it under Art and Literature, rather than its own heading. However, it got replaced and I recieved a nastygram about removing it. So if anyone else agrees with me, they can remove it.
The photo
Can we link to this photo instead of displaying it? RickK 22:51, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
I've listed it at Wikipedia:Requests for comment. RickK 23:39, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
The article is categorized on "Infectious diseases", and this warns enough for the unadvised readers. Nobody is forced to read about syphilis. The article is clearly about biology (science), describing the symptoms of a very ugly disease. "The sore, called a chancre, is a firm, painless skin ulceration localized at the point of initial exposure to the bacterium, often on the penis, vagina or rectum." The readers interested in knowing more about this disease will appreciate the complementary images. A good encyclopedic article should be comprehesive and an image is worth 1000 words. I agree that removing the picture will reduce the quality of this article. --Vasile 01:42, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Alternative resolution
I am a bit disappointed at you guys, since it seems to me you do not want to resolve this, you'd rather have it your way. So since you are not trying to resolve this any other way than "the link way" I have come up with two other options:
1. Replace image with other image less repulsive: I have found Image:Penis_syphilis.png at PHIL which you might find less repulsive. I'd rather use that image anyhow because it depicts a penis which is more approriate since more men than women have syphilis.
2. Use very small thumbnail: This should grab more attention than a link, and look less repulsive.
I have just as well implemented the changes. I do not object to replacing the vaginal image with a link or removing it completely. --Dittaeva 21:13, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, have you seen any non-genital pictures of syphilis sores? --ssd 06:39, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
From RfC
I agree with Rick , Andries and company. The more grotesque elements of this article, including the pictures and the limerick, should be linked to with warning. No thumbnails. I agree with the general policy that non-work-safe images should not be placed on Wikipedia regardless of the article they belong to. –Floorsheim 05:25, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Okay. Looks like as per Vulva, Clitoris, and Penis, there's general agreement among the community in support of the inclusion of clinical photos. Is it possible to get one that's not quite so hideous as the vagina one, though? My opinion on the limerick remains unchanged. It's crude and has no place in an encyclopedia. Floorsheim 12:27, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I vote for a link. This looses nothing and gives people choice. Interestingly, I still have concerns about the photo of my newborn son I posted on caesarian section comments welcome on its talk page! best wishes Erich 21:16, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Dittaeva, let's hear why you think the limerick should stay. –Floorsheim 23:14, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Copy the limerick to WikiSource."dry" summary of short and long term symptoms for men and women.
- Write "a "dry" summary of short and long term symptoms for men and women".
I would be alright with something to that effect. Why don't you work on putting that together? For now, I'm going to go ahead and snip the limerick. I think the information currently in the main body of the article is extensive enough that we can afford to go without the limerick for now. –Floorsheim 11:29, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
A limerick on syphilis
Quite a good description of how one might have suffered from syphilis back in the days before modern antibiotics. It starts out with him having a chancre; he goes on to develop secondary syphilis, losing his hair to secondary syphilis; following which he has all the common complications of tertiary syphilis before he ends up mad from neurosyphilis. The limerick also mentions his wife catching it from him and then passing it on to his children.
There was a young man of Back Bay, Who thought syphilis just went away, And felt that a chancre, Was merely a canker, Acquired in lascivious play. Now first he got acne vulgaris, The kind that is rampant in Paris, It covered his skin, From forehead to shin, And now people ask where his hair is. With symptoms increasing in number, His aorta's in need of a plumber, His heart is cavorting, His wife is aborting, And now he's acquired a gumma. Consider his terrible plight, His eyes won't react to the light, His hands are apraxic, His gait is ataxic, He's developing gun-barrel sight. His passions are strong, as before, But his penis is flaccid, and sore, His wife now has tabes And sabre-shinned babies, She's really worse off than a whore. There are pains in his belly and knees, His sphincters have gone by degrees, Paroxysmal incontinence, With all its concomitants, Brings on quite unpredictable pees. Though treated in every known way, His spirochetes grow day by day, He's developed paresis, Converses with Jesus, And thinks he's the Queen of the May.
Inconsistant information
The article on Friedrich Nietzsche referred to in this article points out that the insanity that Nietzsche suffered is not consistant with syphilis infection, and that the accusation that he was a syphilis sufferer is probably a canard perpetrated by his detractors.
From that article...
"While the story of syphilis indeed became generally accepted in the twentieth century, recent research in the Journal of Medical Biography shows that syphilis is not consistent with Nietzsche's symptoms, and that the contention that he had the disease originated in anti-Nietzschean tracts."
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